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"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 03/20/2019 at 14:53 • Filed to: None

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Guys,
Factchecking: not that hard.

SAC airport.

A friend of mine shared this post with a few added sticker hearts;

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Which is a cute post from the Sanders campaign. What Sander’s campaign deosn’t disclose is that Emerson’s national poll actually looks like this;

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Not only is the sample size small, but also the only candidate that doesn’t beat T rump is O’Rourke. Sander’s lead is inside the margin of error.

So... this is the conversation we had:

Me: Hey this is the actual poll
Her: Okay
Me: Sanders is basically publishing fake news.
Her: I don’t care
Me: He doesn’t even beat the margin of error.
Her; As long as Trump is gone....
Me: But YOU DO KNOW that Sanders is missrepresenting the poll to show he’s doing better?
Her: I don’t think so.

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McMike > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 14:56

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I can’t even use the term fake news anymore.

Spanfeller is a twat > McMike 03/20/2019 at 15:00

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I think it’s irresponsible for Sanders to publish that post as there’s so much information not shown 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:00

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As long as there is the electoral college popular vote doesn’t mater on a national scale.

BeaterGT > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:01

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We all know too well the full graph wouldn’t fit Instagram  dimensions .

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:04

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thats not fake news, hes reporting his specific graph. and thats accurate.

Funktheduck > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:06

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The actual interesting part of this is in this sample, it’s basically a coin flip between trump and whomever runs against him. That’s scary

Spanfeller is a twat > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/20/2019 at 15:06

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It is a miss representation of the poll... it doesn’t even include the margin of error

Spanfeller is a twat > Funktheduck 03/20/2019 at 15:09

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It’s to be expected considering he’s the incumbent

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:11

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it gives the source. its not a misrepresentation. he just pulled his on specific numbers. the poll still happened. it still came up with those results. and if someone really wanted to check the MoE he provided the source of the poll. 

For Sweden > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:20

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It’s OK comrade. The central planners will make the numbers work.

For Sweden > McMike 03/20/2019 at 15:26

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This is fake news

Azrek > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:41

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Politics and Religion sometimes believe what they want...despite science, evidence or straight up common sense!

Azrek > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:41

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Politics and Religion sometimes believe what they want...despite science, evidence or straight up common sense!

TheRealBicycleBuck > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:45

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Don’t forget that they don’t even get into the actual geographic distribution. California: 1,000 responses ; New York: 153 responses. National Poll!

Spanfeller is a twat > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 03/20/2019 at 15:46

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It doesn’t say the sample size

It doesn’t say the margin of error

It’s doesn’t say that he’s within the margin of error

It doesn’t show other candidates of the poll have a greater chance of beating Trump.

It’s a bad post. I expect more from a man constantly talking about percentages and undisclosed facts

Spanfeller is a twat > TheRealBicycleBuck 03/20/2019 at 15:48

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I wonder if a poll could be made to be representative of the electoral college rather than just preference 

B/Xmrrmvr > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 15:56

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It’s a bad post but not fake news. I rolled my eyes when I saw it... it’s as fake as MSNBC and CNN constantly mentioning Biden’s numbers in Iowa as if they’re nationally reflected.

Hey TAE, what policies do you support as a self-proclaimed socialist anyway?

nermal > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:00

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What was the question that was asked ?

“ Which candidate is more likely to have shatten themselves today without realizing it?”

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:04

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right so its a bad post, but its not fake news

Mercedes Streeter > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:07

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His only claim was that a recent poll put him ahead in a 1 v 1 with Trump, which is true. He doesn’t say he polls better than the others in the Dem field, so what the other candidates are polling is irrelevant.

He did fail to point out the margin of error or the sample size. That makes it a bad post , but not necessarily a fake one.

Fake news is the “news” you see on Breitbart or Splinter that never actually happened or they skewed so hard that they may as well pulled it out of thin air .

We can’t just call everything with inaccuracies “fake news”, that just dilutes the meaning of fake news and we don’t want to go there.

My bird IS the word > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:11

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If you torture the numbers long enough, they'll tell you anything you want to hear.

Spanfeller is a twat > B/Xmrrmvr 03/20/2019 at 16:22

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I did clarify my position a while ago, I consider that a mixed market is the best.

I support the following (but it’s for Mexico);

I supported disbanding ISSTE and SP, and having all healthcare be administered (and ran) by IMSS. Obviously free of charge.
I support increasing the minimum wage
I support making health insurance obligatory for all workers.
I support the strengthening of SAT
I support everything in the green new deal it should be put to use here, but I hate AOC for making it a non-binding resolution.
I support free k-12 and higher education for everyone (including non-citizens)
I supported the disbanding of the PGR, and the replacement with the FGR.
I support increasing the number of federal deputees in the Congress
I support micro-credits for small businesses and strong anti-trust laws
I support the introduction of a capital gains tax separate from the income tax (which should be modified to reflect higher incomes better)
I support the carbon tax
I would support expanding the definition of the IEPS to include more luxury items.
I support NAFTA
I support the creation of the Mexico City Airport
I support the de-classification of CISEN’s files.
I’m strongly againts the reorganization of CISEN
I’m strongly againts the Mayan-Peninsula train
I’m strongly againts the purchase of coal for energy production
I’m strongly againts the following cabinet members: Bartlett, Nahle, Espriu, Gertz, Gonzales-Blanco, Albores, and Alcalde. In that order
I’m strongly againts the Estrada Doctrine

Spanfeller is a twat > Mercedes Streeter 03/20/2019 at 16:27

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By not including the margin of error and sample size, he is missrepresenting the poll. He does this to advance the notion that his campaign is “surging. ” I do believe it amounts to skewing the facts.

Sure, it's not a big instance of hiding parts of a story to look better, and every candidate does it. What alarms me is that my friend didn't care!

Nick Has an Exocet > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:30

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This is why people still can’t believe that Trump won - they close their eyes and ears to actual data.

McMike > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:40

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I would probably say “inaccurate,” “misleading,” “lewd,” “vesuvius,” “salacious,” or “outrageous” before I every say “fake news” again.

Same with “snowflake”

I also have no respect for people who post just memes infographics, or screenshots to prove a point.  No link, no text, just a misleading image.

What a bunch of idiots we have become. 

B/Xmrrmvr > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:42

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Something to keep in mind as someone who many not be attuned to US Politics (from the Emerson link you posted) :

Yeah, that explains the results.

Spanfeller is a twat > McMike 03/20/2019 at 16:42

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Its a misleading post.

McMike > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:45

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I’m sure it is.    That’s why we are terrible. 

Spanfeller is a twat > B/Xmrrmvr 03/20/2019 at 16:46

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Fox News is the biggest, and probably the only mainstream, conservative news source... I’m not surprised that in a national poll, in nation where Trump has an approval rating of 43%, Fox news gets 37%

The same way MSNBC has a high score due to more liberal people, and CNN has a relatively high score because of airports.

of course, ignoring that in the same poll, one in three participants didn’t trust any news source.

Mercedes Streeter > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 16:52

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True, true. The graphs are accurate to the poll, but he (or whoever is in charge of his Instagram) didn’t add a disclaimer for sample size or margin of error. It’s certainly crappy, but I still wouldn’t put it on the same level as something like the President claiming his Inauguration had the largest attendance in history or Alex Jones saying Sandy Hook victims were “crisis actors” .

The cynic in me says most people aren’t going to care about the fine print anyway, they’ll just see the red and blue bar...Case in point, your friend doesn’t really care even after you pointed it out to them.

Spanfeller is a twat > Mercedes Streeter 03/20/2019 at 16:55

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Yes, the President says a lot crazier shit.

But the fine print is important. Specially since the biggest objective both parties should have at the moment is to remove Donald Trump from the Presidency.

It looks like I'm signalling out Sanders, but everyone does it.

B/Xmrrmvr > Spanfeller is a twat 03/20/2019 at 17:32

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Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that the news source trustworthy source didn’t accurately reflect the national statistics. My mistake .

I guess I just have a hard time believing a poll where most respondents trust Fox News the most or no news source at all would also find either Warren or Harris as favorable as they are, especially when most of the respondents were landline and respondents with only cellphones weren’t included .... flashbacks of inaccurate late-2016 polls.

Spanfeller is a twat > B/Xmrrmvr 03/20/2019 at 17:37

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I mean, Fox news has the highest rating of any TV news channel. Finding fans isn't hard...